[FSPA] CarPool playoff info for 8/14/18

Tue Aug 14 17:01:17 EDT 2018

If you can please report back on what the poll results are. I'm interested.

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Perhaps we should take an informal poll at the start of things tonight after an explanation of why a change is being considered.  As CJ pointed out, the 4th & 5th place players in each group have a lot of down time after the semifinal round. Losing sucks, losing then being reminded of it for an extended period of time while you wait for the top 3 to finish sucks more.  But as Steve Ritchie says, "Play Better!".  Also the thing to consider is you qualified for the playoffs.  Half the league didn't.

Personally I like the idea of doing prizes during league night just because you capture the experience in one fell swoop.  Coming back in 3 weeks to pick your prize(s) doesn't feel quite as rewarding to me.  That said I realize that people might have to get up earlier than me. :)

We'll see what the group consensus is.

Bob

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 11:41 AM, Deb Kapke via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org<mailto:fspa at fspazone.org>> wrote:
Agreed. In the past anyway, other league locations haven't done prize picks the same night as playoffs. Play poorly then go home early. Play well, stay late.

On Aug 14, 2018, at 11:23 AM, steve via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org<mailto:fspa at fspazone.org>> wrote:

I personally yearn for the two stage playoffs... and like it when we get over 4 playoff spots.

If the concern is about 'having to stay till the end' for those not participating... that is a byproduct of the switch to doing prizes during finals night.  Why not simply change it so if you are going to have a dual finals night, simply NOT do prizes that night in that league.  Pick a date ahead of time that makes sense... be it the party, week0 of next season...  something where a sizable portion of the people would likely be present, or can schedule around.

They don't have to be done the same night... that's just a format Bill brought in years ago at JP that worked well because it added to the evening.. but if it becomes an issue when we hit large scale, then we should adjust.

-Steve

On Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 8:52:24 AM EDT, Kevin Stone via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org<mailto:fspa at fspazone.org>> wrote:

I agree with CJ, and have played in 5 player playoffs previously.  I estimate we’ll be done by midnight but not before 11pm.  Especially with 4 divisions and long playing games.  Combine waitlists with having up to 8 matches going at a time with 9 games, yeah it will be a long night.

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I don't think it's quite as bad as you're imagining since all of the games in the semifinals are 2 player, but yeah, that definitely has the potential to be a long night.

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 7:57 AM CJ Brown via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org<mailto:fspa at fspazone.org>> wrote:

May I make a request to the powers that be?

Can you consider changing the amount of people that get into finals after the season ends?    I hope this doesn't get dismissed with the reasoning "this is the way it has always been done".  The rules are very clear.  I am asking if they might be changed with some thought about the length of finals and the time at which they start.

Long story short, tomorrow is going to be a *very* late night.

4 person finals have five rounds.  Starting at 8 pm already takes a long time factoring in waiting and machine availability.  There have been a few finals where I was absolutely dead on my feet by the time the night ended.

If I understand the 5 person finals rules correctly, tomorrow there will be *ten* rounds of pinball instead of *five*.  Semi-finals for all, then Finals for the top 3 players.   That means the last 2 people in each group tomorrow don't get to play in the final five rounds.   They literally can only sit and wait for everyone else to finish until prizes start.

There are certainly alternative solutions to pinball finals than what is currently listed in the rulebook.  Dan Cotter submitted a spreadsheet with alternatives a few seasons ago.  However, I know that I am not the person that makes those decisions.

Many thanks! - CJ

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:17 PM, Joe Schober via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org<mailto:fspa at fspazone.org>> wrote:

Alex V wrote...

How do the playoffs work with groups of 5?

There is both a semifinal and a final round.

In the semifinal round, each participant will play head-to-head games against every other participant (so everyone plays 4 games), earning league points in the usual manner (3-1 unless the winner more than TRIPLES the loser, in which case it's 4-0).

The top three point-earners in the semifinal round move on to the final round, which is played as usual (an all-play, head-to-heads between each player, and another all-play -- so 4 games total again).

The main other "gotcha" is that a player with a game pick may not pick the same machine for a head-to-head game against the same opponent in both the semis and the finals.

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