[FSPA] Ghostbuster Proposal--CarPool

Mon Jun 4 16:56:38 EDT 2018

Put a giant ball of tape in that shot. Problem solved.

Steve

On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 4:36 PM Joe Kosack via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
wrote:

> *drops mic*
>
> Joe K.
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> *From:* FSPA <fspa-bounces at fspazone.org> on behalf of Paul Liam McGlone
> via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
> *Sent:* Monday, June 4, 2018 4:34 PM
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> *Cc:* Paul Liam McGlone
>
> *Subject:* Re: [FSPA] Ghostbuster Proposal--CarPool
> This is the code of the machine, and you just have to live with it as long
> as it is league eligible.
>
>
> VBH has spoken, Virginia.
>
> End of Thread
>
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 4:34 PM, Paul Liam McGlone <
> dwifairfaxatty at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> But I want to play the Claw.  That setting is in there in case the
> equipment is broken ...   Really.
>
> Effectively, imposing a rule that requires Humans to obey is no different
> than "Plunge Extra Balls" or "Feed the Kitty".
> We have intelligent life here, after all.
>
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 4:25 PM, Joe Kosack via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
> wrote:
>
> By rule we have disabled the claw in Demo Man at VBH.  However, this is a
> software setting that we can change.
>
> This is extremely different.  You are talking about the game offering
> something that you are then not allowed to shoot.  To me as a league
> administrator, a rule to disallow players from taking what the machine is
> legally giving them is against the spirit of our rules.
>
> Now, if there was a software setting that gave a different award for that
> skill shot, I'd be all for it.  However, you just cannot impose a rule to
> disallow players from going for a particular legal shot.
>
> Slightly similar situation:  We had Super Mario at VBH a number of years
> back, and there was a relatively safe combo which kept awarding 5M points
> and basically wrecked the game.  However, we never said that you couldn't
> go for that combo.  Did we put a 2x4 under the back legs to try and make
> the shot even harder, of course we did!  But, we never would make a ruling
> that you couldn't go for that shot, as boring as it made the game and as
> long as it played because of the safety of that combo.  Of course, that's
> not a video mode, but it's a matter of finding something that makes a game
> boring and not fun to play and trying to change the rules by telling people
> not to go for a particular type of shot.
>
> Also, if you would impose this rule, what would the penalty be if someone
> mistakenly chose the video mode skill shot and made it?  DQ would be
> extremely harsh here because it isn't cheating as no known bug in the
> software is being manipulated.  This is the code of the machine, and you
> just have to live with it as long as it is league eligible.
> ------------------------------
> *From:* FSPA <fspa-bounces at fspazone.org> on behalf of Paul McGlone via
> FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
> *Sent:* Monday, June 4, 2018 4:14 PM
> *To:* Steve
> *Cc:* Paul McGlone; FSPA main discussion list
> *Subject:* Re: [FSPA] Ghostbuster Proposal--CarPool
>
>
>
> On Jun 4, 2018, at 3:53 PM, steve <flynnibus at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Should we have disabled Bats in BSD?  Not the same at all.  Bats is hard
> to start.  It is a valuable feature and if you earned it, you deserved it.
> It doesn’t require you to avoid other modes in order to play it again on
> the next ball.  That part of GB is pretty unique.  .
>
>
>
>   Or big bang in DI?  Nope.  Not the same.  It is a reward for certain
> events in normal play.
>
>
>
>   Holodeck?   You’re getting close there.  I believe it has been DQ’ in
> some competition.
>
>
>
>  Or force people to play modes in STTNG instead of multiball all day?  Not
> even close.
>
>
>
> Now, if you want a good example, how about the Cryo Claw on Demo Man?
>
>
> How about that one?  Anybody ever disable that one?
>
>
>
>
>
> I think anyone who plays for this alone is only hurting themselves.
>
> I mean are we really saying "Hey, I can't win if people do that... so can
> you not do that?"
>
> Learn the scoring strategies and pick one that works for you.  Feel free
> to play your own, I'll still work on finding my own to beat you.
>
> My .02c
>
> -Steve
>
>
> On Monday, June 4, 2018, 3:13:16 PM EDT, Dan Reynolds <
> daniel.j.reynolds at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> the problem isn't that it makes the game unfair, it's that it makes the
> game unfun.  90% of the players in our league are not going to break 100
> million on that game unless they play video mode on all three balls.  a lot
> of players strongly dislike playing it for that reason.  it's just not
> entertaining pr exciting to have a skillshot video mode determine the
> winner for the vast majority of games.
>
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 3:03 PM, steve via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:
>
> Given everyone has equal opportunity for the feature... and the game
> already has changed so its not available on every plunge.  I don't see the
> point.
>
> If you want to take that risk for video mode, and then face qualifying
> modes... that's your choice.
> If you want to qualify a mode and play that strategy... do so.
> If you want to go for multipliers and play that way.. do so.
>
> There is no disparity between player position or opportunity.  So i don't
> see why the need to nerf the feature.
>
> It's not like it's the only way to win...
>
> -Steve
>
> On Monday, June 4, 2018, 2:54:06 PM EDT, Paul McGlone via FSPA <
> fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:
>
>
> Suggestion has been made that we adopt a local rule that nobody can select
> video mode for skill shot; or that nobody can select it on Ball 1.
>
> This is a pretty good way to salvage a great game for competition.  The
> 1-ball variation opens up even more strategic choices—Play a mode, or not?
>
> I think Bob was against this by the time we finished on Thursday, but he
> liked it when we started (Player 4).
>
> We were playing the other night and it worked out pretty well without
> video:
>
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