[FSPA] previously unknown pinball technique discovered?

Fri Sep 7 01:27:03 EDT 2018

if you try it instead of speculating you will understand how universally
effective this is. I've been doing this for months.

Maybe I shouldn't have been so eager to share... Lots of naysaying and
negativity based on no experimentatiom after watching a hastily recorded
video
 You must love waiting minutes for a bobber to stop in the middle of a ball

Feel free to try it, or not. I'll enjoy not having to either shut down my
flow or stop nudging for minutes after a big save.

/shrug

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018, 12:44 AM steve <flynnibus at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Games have variations... without good sampling you're blind.  I didn't say
> it won't work.. I said you're going blind.  So you don't know if you are
> being effective or not, for how long, etc.
>
> Don't worry... I'm not going to challenge your 'world first' with another
> world first.  I feel confident enough in my engineering education.  But if
> I find a convenient shaker... I'll give the world the first power assisted
> tilt stopper.
>
> On Friday, September 7, 2018, 12:37:26 AM EDT, Steve Peck <
> speckking at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> so it definitely works no matter how you hit it, but without seeing the
> bobber there's no way the technique can be known to work? Which is it?
>
> I'll look forward to your video stopping a bobber in 15 seconds hitting
> the side of the cab instead. And somehow being preferable as far as
> noise/disruption.
>
> On Sep 7, 2018 12:31 AM, "steve" <flynnibus at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >1a - you sure the direction of the vibrations is irrelevant? you did the
> maths?
>
> Because I know you aren't getting any vertical movement...  you are
> banging a solid cabinet with solid legs into a solid floor.  You are not
> getting vertical displacement unless you are bending the legs, or bouncing
> off the floor.  So the fact you are hitting downward... is irrelevant.
>
> Banging the cabinet simply causing it to vibrate... in nearly all
> directions chaotically.  And the effect works because of the rattling of
> the tilt hanger and tilt rod creating all kinds of extra movements and
> contacts... that work to disrupt the pivot contact and introduces rattle at
> the contact which kills the stable pendulum mount.
>
> Take a newton's craddle toy and vibrate the table it's on.. you'll find
> it's very ineffective and dies off quickly.  Or as everyone who ever skated
> as a kid knows...  spin a worn out bearing and find it spins less
> efficiently than one with tighter tolerances.
>
> It doesn't have to do with the direction of movement, but the lack of
> steady contact combined with vibration leads to chaotic movement that kills
> the kinetic energy of the pendulum.  Which is why I said a dildo attached
> to the cabinet would do effectively the same thing.  You just need enough
> amplitude in the waves to disrupt the tilt contact point.  And since it's
> just hanging there by gravity with nothing holding them tightly together..
> it's easy to do.
>
> Signed...
> Science
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 6, 2018, 11:37:59 PM EDT, Steve Peck <
> speckking at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> 1a - you sure the direction of the vibrations is irrelevant? you did the
> maths? cause i'd bet doing this along the plane which the bobber swings has
> the potential to increase or decrease the swing
> 1b - my hits are going through the vertical 'spine' of the side rails.
> this isnt handling them off the game. they dont flex when doing this and
> the glass isn't really even moving
>
> 2 - i figured this out before ever confirming by looking. it works every
> time. pretty easy to tell - double danger, do this, have confidence to do a
> slap save less than 30s later. if you tried it you would know how reliable
> it is instead of speculating
>
> 3 - how is it so disruptive? it can be done in normal play space and isn't
> that loud.
>
> and for Joe - if it hurts, you're doing it too hard and/or with the wrong
> part of your hand. really i recommend the heel of the palm and the
> speed/force of an enthusiastic clap or so.
>
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 11:27 PM, steve <flynnibus at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> 1a - The downward movement isn't the key.  It's the vibrations.  Its why
> you hit fast, not slow and big
> 1b - The side rails are thin and often poorly supported behind depending
> on the fit of the trim and glass.  If you've ever handled them off a game,
> you'd see how easy it is to bend or crease them.
>
> 2 - Hindsight is 20/20...  aka when you can confirm it by peeking
>
> 3 - My comment isn't purely about the noise.  Plus, with games with looser
> glass, it will be an bigger issue.
>
> Go get something like a feedback motor... or d-cell battery operated toy
> you'd find in a sex shop... and hold it against the cabinet.  I bet you
> find the same result as long as the motor shakes enough for the energy to
> get to the tilt mount.  Play with the speeds... and you'll see how quickly
> you can kill the movement.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 6, 2018, 11:20:03 PM EDT, Steve Peck <
> speckking at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> 1 - how are you going to hit straight down through the side of the cabinet
> while hitting wood? how are you going to dent a side rail with the fleshy
> side of your fist or your palm?
>
> 2 - it works. Well.
>
> 3 - maybe, but again the video makes it seem much louder than it really is
> in person. since a fleshy part of the hand is used it's a fairly dull/low
> thudding.
>
> regardless of how sustained this is you're never, ever going to hurt a
> machine doing it. i really doubt a bare hand could do anything to a side
> rail even if you're trying but the technique doesnt require that much force
> - it's all about inducing vibration on the axis that runs vertically
> through the bobber.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 11:01 PM, steve <flynnibus at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> This is a solution that is far worse than the actual problem
>
> 1 - Hitting the rail is completely unnecessary when you could have just
> hit the wood cabinet and avoided the risk of denting the side rails
> 2 - In practice you can't tell if its working or not... so you can go
> banging along blindly
> 3 - It's very disruptive to people around you
>
> While it may be less force than nudging... you don't nudge for 10-30
> seconds consequently.
>
> I wouldn't recommend you do this as a practice.
>
> On Thursday, September 6, 2018, 10:50:48 PM EDT, Steve Peck via FSPA <
> fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:
>
>
> oh it's also not as loud in person as it seems in the video
>
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018, 10:47 PM Steve Peck <speckking at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> it doesn't take that much force. Certainly less than standard nudging and
> not in a way that could ever hurt a machine.
>
> You bet I'm doing this for 15 seconds in comp rather than waiting 3 min
> for a bobber to stop and I doubt there's any rule against such a thing.
>
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018, 10:44 PM eric schoch via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
> wrote:
>
> If someone complains at a tournament you tell them to “STFU i am playing
> pinball.  Do some research!”
>
> On Thursday, September 6, 2018, 9:59:24 PM EDT, Dave Hubbard via FSPA <
> fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:
>
>
> So... basically you're beating on the cabinet instead of just waiting for
> the tilt bob to slow down on its own.  Two comments:
>
> 1) If I ever saw you do this to one of my pins, that would be the last
> time you play it.
> 2) If you were doing this next to me in a tournament, a TD is getting
> called for interference.
>
> Sure, it works, but it's just about the most annoying "technique" I can
> think of.
>
> Flame away.
>
>      --- Dave
>
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 9:53 PM, Roy via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=_slFooZkmpw&feature=youtu.be
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_slFooZkmpw&feature=youtu.be>
>
>
> On 9/6/2018 9:36 PM, Colin Horner via FSPA wrote:
>
> Is there anything that would convince you to "give up" that pursuit?
>
> Josh Jurgensen via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org> <fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:
>
> If this 'video proof' turns out to just be a Rick astley clip, I'm going
> to run the risk of getting expelled from all FSPA activities just to slam
> tilt any machine you're playing.
>
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018, 7:56 PM Steve Peck via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
> wrote:
>
> sounds like it really is a new discovery. i'll make a video when i can.
>
> it's a bare handed nudging technique that should work on any machine
>
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 1:13 PM, Brian Newhard via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
> wrote:
>
> Rare earth magnet on the bottom of the cabinet?
>
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 12:58 PM, Steve Peck via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
> wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> I might have discovered a previously unknown pinball technique. Not sure
> what to do with the info.
>
> I need to make a video to demonstrate, but first thing is I want to make
> sure it's not already known
>
> so does anyone know of a way to reliably, consistently, and quickly stop a
> tilt bobber swinging from normal playing conditions outside the cabinet?
>
> -Steve
>
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