[FSPA] FSPA: MOM's Organic Pinball Results for 09/29/2021 (Meet #2)

[Rob Wintler-Cox]

We don’t use shuffle at MOM’s when I select the games because despite what
Steve said you end up with groups following others. For example, I just
plugged in last night’s game picks and shuffle had group 2 right behind
group 1 after the first game.

For MOM’s I use a spreadsheet based on the sheet Joe K used at VBH which I
believe was originally built by Scott. It is more curated than random so
that groups don’t end up behind each other, but you do end up with patterns
like the one you indicated. Eventually I plan to make it completely random,
but haven’t gotten around to it yet.

John used shuffle back when I was leaving early and recused myself from
game selection. We can try it again if you want to see how it works.

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 7:09 PM Dave Hubbard via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
wrote:

> Hm, that would lead me to believe that games 2,3,4 are random, and looking
> at the results on this thread for MOMs, there are definitely patterns.
>
> Group 3 went 8BD -> Metallica > Iron Maiden -> BKSOR
> Group 6 went Iron Maiden -> BKSOR -> 8BD -> Metallica
>
> Group 4 went Dialed In -> AFM -> AIQ -> Hot Tip
> Group 5 went AIQ -> Hot Tip -> Dialed In -> AFM
>
> That's a loop of the same games for those group pairs, which seems really
> odd if a true shuffle is happening.  Week 1 doesn't exhibit this pattern
> though.
>
> MOM's brass: how are y'all doing game sets?  I'm really curious now.
>
>        --- Dave
>
> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 6:11 PM steve <flynnibus at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> >You likely won't know who picked what, but you will know what games
>> were picked and therefore which games are
>> > going to show up in other people's groups
>>
>> I don't think any of the leagues have been using this method for some
>> time.  That was the old paper distribution model where the available games
>> for the night were taken from the game picks, and then distributed in a
>> following pattern intended to have higher groups follow lower groups.
>>
>> But since the migration to the tatersoft software, there is a 'shuffle'
>> feature that doesn't use the same game assignment logic.  It simply picks a
>> game you haven't played, that also hasn't been assigned yet for that
>> round.  Does that for each group, then repeats for each round.  So it
>> selects from the pool of location games and decides based on avoiding
>> conflicts, not based on which games were picked for round 1.
>>
>> -Steve
>>
>> On Thursday, September 30, 2021, 06:04:29 PM EDT, Dave Hubbard via FSPA <
>> fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> They are definitely overrated.  It's one game out of 40 that you play in
>> a season.  It's insignificant unless your league officer(s) use a
>> progression for determining the other games in your group that involve
>> everyone else's game picks, in which case people with later game picks can,
>> theoretically, pick games in other groups as well.
>>
>> Something like this.  Imagine you have 12 machines for league, noted A
>> through L for simplicity.
>>
>> Group 1 picks machine A
>> Group 2 picks machine B
>> ...
>> Group 8 is last to pick, and 7 machines have already been chosen.  This
>> group's pick will be game H, leaving I/J/K/L to be assigned randomly to the
>> progression.
>>
>> Every group in groups 1-7 that includes slot H is effectively chosen by
>> group 8's game picker, and you can trace this back up the groups as well
>> (for example, there's probably a few groups that include G, chosen by group
>> 7).
>>
>> So basically, game picks are not just your pick unless your SLO is
>> filling out the other 3 games randomly.  You likely won't know who picked
>> what, but you will know what games were picked and therefore which games
>> are going to show up in other people's groups.  If you know the progression
>> (and your SLO uses the same one every week) then with a little effort you
>> can know which other groups are going to get the game you pick for your
>> group, and that might be advantageous.
>>
>>         --- Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 3:13 PM Kevin Stone via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I think game picks are overrated.  Every time I’ve picked a game, I end
>> up playing horrible on it.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* FSPA [mailto:fspa-bounces+pinball=kevinsplanet.com at fspazone.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Joe Schober via FSPA
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 29, 2021 11:47 PM
>> *To:* FSPA main discussion list
>> *Cc:* Joe Schober
>> *Subject:* Re: [FSPA] FSPA: MOM's Organic Pinball Results for 09/29/2021
>> (Meet #2)
>>
>>
>>
>> Steph wrote...
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t understand the ladder movement. I won my group but stayed in the
>> same group, I suppose this has to do with rearranging the groups into three
>> person groups after this meet but now who gets game picks?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "At each meet, the winner of each group who has moved up (except the
>> winner of group 1) will choose their new group’s first machine to be
>> played. In the lowest group, the lowest-ranked player will choose the first
>> machine to be played. If there is a conflict due to dropouts and
>> regrouping, then the lowest-ranked player in each affected group will have
>> the machine pick."
>>
>>
>>
>>
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