<div dir="ltr">How exactly are they being rewarded for forfeiting? They still get zero league points for missed games, they might have to play in the same or higher group than before, and they have a minuscule bump to a second tiebreaker. I'd wager the number of times this has actually affected playoffs fits on one of my hands after I've handled too many fireworks.<div><br></div><div>Not granting effective points for forfeits IS a reward, as it allows people to intentionally drop groups.<br><div><br></div><div> --- Dave</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:48 AM, rw55dodgers--- via FSPA <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fspa@fspazone.org" target="_blank">fspa@fspazone.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><font color="black" size="2" face="arial">I've always complained about that, they are rewarded for not being there if they stay in that group and it could increase ladder value if they had a lower ladder value before that week. If at the end of the season that person made playoffs by a fraction it could of been the difference. If it has ever happened I don't know.
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Subject: Re: [FSPA] VUK playoffs this Sunday 8/27!<br>
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<div dir="auto">And that's the ONLY thing that sucks about the phantom points for players who miss a week without preplays. While it does tend to hurt them more due to the lost week of points and possible harder group the following week, it can affect tiebreakers.</div>
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<div class="m_1761853979974053547aolmail_gmail_quote">On Aug 24, 2017 10:25 AM, "Joe Kosack via FSPA" <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:fspa@fspazone.org" target="_blank">fspa@fspazone.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Div Avg Ladder is your average ladder position at the end of Weeks 3-8, the first two and the last two are omitted from this calculation. Ladder corresponds to your groupings, not how many points you earned.</div>
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<div>The first two weeks are omitted so that if we misplaced anyone in a group, they have a chance to bubble up or down to where they're supposed to be. The last two weeks are omitted because divisions are locked in at that point and no one is able to shift
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<div>The first tiebreaker is always head to head standings. If there is a tie for head to head (or if the two players in question never played each other,) then the next tiebreaker is the division average ladder. If for some reason that is tied, then we go
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On Wednesday, August 23, 2017, 11:11 AM, Max Baskin via FSPA <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:fspa@fspazone.org" target="_blank">fspa@fspazone.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>That's the average of your overall, week to week standings. It's used to figure out what division you're in and, IIRC, acts as a tiebreaker for finals qualification. </div>
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<div>Congratulations if you're in the top 4 in each division, you are headed for the VÜK league playoffs! <a rel="noopener noreferrer" style="font-size:12.8px" href="http://fspa.league.papa.org/meetResults/122/10" target="_blank">Week 10 Results</a><span style="font-size:12.8px"> </span></div>
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Top C seed Brian Galletta will not be there, so John Mucciardi moves up to the #4 spot. If anyone else knows they'll be out please reply to this email so the next player can move up.<br>
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Game picks start at 4<span class="m_1761853979974053547aolmail_m_1688335840800216010yiv5399981307m_4125556578793695771gmail-m_-8919089062938282358gmail-aBn"><span class="m_1761853979974053547aolmail_m_1688335840800216010yiv5399981307m_4125556578793695771gmail-m_-8919089062938282358gmail-aQJ"><span class="m_1761853979974053547aolmail_m_1688335840800216010yiv5399981307m_4125556578793695771gmail-aBn"><span class="m_1761853979974053547aolmail_m_1688335840800216010yiv5399981307m_4125556578793695771gmail-aQJ">:45</span></span></span></span>…
if you are not there by then you will lose your picks. And it rarely hurts to have a set of picks ready against higher seeded players in case they show up late. (Not sure what game to pick? Use the research tools on the FSPA site to data mine your opponents'
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<div>We start at 5 and if you’re still not there, you will lose your playoff spot and the next available player will move up. Players below the line: It may behoove you to be there in case of a no-show.</div>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Here's a link to the FSPA playoff rules for your reference: </span><a rel="noopener noreferrer" style="font-size:12.8px" href="http://www.fspazone.org/complete-rules/#Playoffs" target="_blank">http://www.fspazone .org/complete-rules/#Playoffs</a><span style="font-size:12.8px">.
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<div>And don’t forget next season starts just two short weeks after playoffs on September 10th! And a new season of VÜK Veekly post-league tournaments as well!</div>
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