<div dir="auto">Is finals format one of the things that can be modified at league officer discretion, provided it's done at the start of the season ?</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 1:47 PM CJ Brown via FSPA <<a href="mailto:fspa@fspazone.org">fspa@fspazone.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I'm interested to see how tonight goes. Yesterday I had two main concerns.<div><br></div><div>1) The 4th and 5th place players have to wait around until last pick at the prize pool. That sucks and is not fun. They will probably have to wait 2 hours to get their prize.</div><div><br></div><div>2) How late the night goes. I don't think a most people will care, but some league players might have very long and tired drives home after midnight+. Everyone has crazy different schedules. I know a ton of guys at carpool are up all hours and its not an issue for them.</div><div><br></div><div>Having been prize czar and stayed to the very end of the night, I think that 25 players will take at least an hour after all finals have finished to pick out prizes.</div><div><br></div><div>There are many solutions. As Steve and Deb said, don't do prizes the same night. Have the playoffs at a different time/day. Change the number of people getting into finals. (As I said, someone already submitted multiple alternatives)</div><div><br></div><div> All these options could be at SLO preference. Nothing will change tonight. I just thought it was important to bring up for consideration to the people that write the legitimate FSPA rulebook considering the number of people we have playing tonight. </div><div><br></div><div>By all means if I am in the minority, continue on! :)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 12:34 PM, The Bob via FSPA <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fspa@fspazone.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">fspa@fspazone.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Perhaps we should take an informal poll at the start of things tonight after an explanation of why a change is being considered. As CJ pointed out, the 4th & 5th place players in each group have a lot of down time after the semifinal round. Losing sucks, losing then being reminded of it for an extended period of
time while you wait for the top 3 to finish sucks more. But as Steve Ritchie says, "Play Better!". Also the
thing to consider is you qualified for the playoffs. Half the league
didn't.<br><br>Personally I like the idea of doing prizes during league night just because you capture the experience in one fell swoop. Coming back in 3 weeks to pick your prize(s) doesn't feel quite as rewarding to me. That said I realize that people might have to get up earlier than me. :)<br><br></div>We'll see what the group consensus is.<span class="m_5563237654856755584HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br></font></span></div><span class="m_5563237654856755584HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">Bob<br><br></font></span></div><div class="m_5563237654856755584HOEnZb"><div class="m_5563237654856755584h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 11:41 AM, Deb Kapke via FSPA <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fspa@fspazone.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">fspa@fspazone.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div></div><div>Agreed. In the past anyway, other league locations haven't done prize picks the same night as playoffs. Play poorly then go home early. Play well, stay late. </div><div><div class="m_5563237654856755584m_2436295983227175964h5"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br>On Aug 14, 2018, at 11:23 AM, steve via FSPA <<a href="mailto:fspa@fspazone.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">fspa@fspazone.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div></div>
<div>I personally yearn for the two stage playoffs... and like it when we get over 4 playoff spots.</div><div><br></div><div>If the concern is about 'having to stay till the end' for those not participating... that is a byproduct of the switch to doing prizes during finals night. Why not simply change it so if you are going to have a dual finals night, simply NOT do prizes that night in that league. Pick a date ahead of time that makes sense... be it the party, week0 of next season... something where a sizable portion of the people would likely be present, or can schedule around.</div><div><br></div><div>They don't have to be done the same night... that's just a format Bill brought in years ago at JP that worked well because it added to the evening.. but if it becomes an issue when we hit large scale, then we should adjust.</div><div><br></div><div>-Steve</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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