<div dir="auto">Someone who doesn’t show up to league has a higher potential for an A division ranking than someone who played. That doesn’t make sense.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">You can minimize its importance than also talk about how it’s critical to balance.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 6:39 PM steve <<a href="mailto:flynnibus@yahoo.com">flynnibus@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div></div>
<div dir="ltr">Avg ladder is only used for division separation. If you did it based only on ranking, you are focusing on a narrower slice in time to make your decision based on division boundaries.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Avg Ladder means you make decisions based on 5 weeks of play... ranking would mean just one week of play becomes far more critical. You could be in the top all season, and lose one week and be out.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">It's just a way to make a wider assessment of what division a player should be in... vs a moment in time.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Because it's not a play-in, ultimately initial seeding does play into division qualifications. Even tho avg ladder tries to minimize it... when you have a big league if you start low, it sometimes can't be avoided as a factor. This is why initial seedings are significant.</div><div><br></div>
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On Tuesday, June 22, 2021, 06:26:18 PM EDT, Matt Wycoff <<a href="mailto:mwycoff@gmail.com" target="_blank">mwycoff@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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<div><div id="m_1378898122074063012ydp82b402bbyiv5358682885"><div><div>Let’s remove the average ladder position part of the calculation if it doesn’t matter.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Just make it based on rankings.</div><div><br clear="none"><div><div id="m_1378898122074063012ydp82b402bbyiv5358682885yqtfd28939"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 5:34 PM steve via FSPA <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:fspa@fspazone.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">fspa@fspazone.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div></div>
<div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px">><span style="color:rgb(38,40,42);font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"> it's just the magical wonder of Effective Points without preplays for it to hide behind.</span></div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px">No, it's actually more about the wonders of what happens when you have multiple things going on concurrently... You have a player drop, you have the number of 4 player groups changing, AND the fun of the 3 player group vs 4 player group boundary, and effective points.</div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px">This is more about the way the groups look AFTER ladder movement and a change in group makeup. </div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px">People get predisposed to believe the simplifications we memorize are the real rules.. they aren't :) Players don't actually move between groups each week... they move up and down the ladder. Groups are formed last... after everything else. </div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px">So when people just focus on groups, they often get really confused when the group scheme changes.</div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px">Ideas like 'freeze the player so they don't change groups' are not practical methods because they assume groups are fixed - they are not. The player's ladder movement is done after each match... Groups are drawn up based on the ladder - not necessarily last week's groups were.</div></div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px">There is alot of churn going into week 3 because the Groupings changed when we dropped one player. 3 4player groups instead of 4 of them.</div></div></div></div><div><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px">-Steve</div></div><div><br clear="none"></div>
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On Tuesday, June 22, 2021, 11:15:44 AM EDT, Rob Wintler-Cox via FSPA <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:fspa@fspazone.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">fspa@fspazone.org</a>> wrote:
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