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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Or maybe outplay % instead of ladder position…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> FSPA [mailto:fspa-bounces+pinball=kevinsplanet.com@fspazone.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matt Wycoff via FSPA<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 22, 2021 6:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> FSPA main discussion list<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Matt Wycoff<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FSPA] FSPA: Ocelot Results for 06/22/2021 (Meet #2)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Let’s remove the average ladder position part of the calculation if it doesn’t matter.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Just make it based on rankings.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 5:34 PM steve via FSPA <<a href="mailto:fspa@fspazone.org">fspa@fspazone.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A"> it's just the magical wonder of Effective Points without preplays for it to hide behind.</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">No, it's actually more about the wonders of what happens when you have multiple things going on concurrently... You have a player drop, you have the number of 4 player groups
changing, AND the fun of the 3 player group vs 4 player group boundary, and effective points.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">This is more about the way the groups look AFTER ladder movement and a change in group makeup. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">People get predisposed to believe the simplifications we memorize are the real rules.. they aren't :) Players don't actually move between groups each week... they move up and
down the ladder. Groups are formed last... after everything else. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">So when people just focus on groups, they often get really confused when the group scheme changes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Ideas like 'freeze the player so they don't change groups' are not practical methods because they assume groups are fixed - they are not. The player's ladder movement is done
after each match... Groups are drawn up based on the ladder - not necessarily last week's groups were.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">There is alot of churn going into week 3 because the Groupings changed when we dropped one player. 3 4player groups instead of 4 of them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">-Steve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A">On Tuesday, June 22, 2021, 11:15:44 AM EDT, Rob Wintler-Cox via FSPA <<a href="mailto:fspa@fspazone.org" target="_blank">fspa@fspazone.org</a>> wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A">On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 10:51 AM Paul Liam McGlone via FSPA <<a href="mailto:fspa@fspazone.org" target="_blank">fspa@fspazone.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A">I don't think this is anything new, it's just the magical wonder of Effective Points without preplays for it to hide behind.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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