<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class="">I like the idea of Drop-2 because:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1) There are a lot of machines at some locations. Preplays get time consuming when there are a ton of machines. (It’s GREAT to have a lot of machines unless there are a bunch of Popeyes or when trying to do preplays.)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">2) Some of our current league locations don’t stay open late. So while it was easy to stay after league someplace like Carpool, it’s not possible now. Ocelot and Mustang Sally, are closed by the time league is over (or even before league is over). And getting there early to do preplays isn’t an option for many because of work and traffic. So preplays require a separate trip, possibly multiple trips.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If Drop-2 stays around then maybe there can be some adjustments. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It is, of course, a courtesy to tell a league officer when a person won’t be there. But maybe a little more emphasis on letting somebody know. At some point a person knows they're not on their way, so they won’t be there. I would imagine that even a half hour notice is helpful. </div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 30, 2021, at 3:17 AM, Joe P. Said via FSPA <<a href="mailto:fspa@fspazone.org" class="">fspa@fspazone.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">What Pittsburgh does is generates the groups from the players that are present. We should aim to adapt the rules to that if we want the drop 2 to be successful.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 11:46 PM Daniel Cotter via FSPA <<a href="mailto:fspa@fspazone.org" class="">fspa@fspazone.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">
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Daniel Cotter here, miss you guys. I have been running a couple seasons of a social distance league at the Richmond Pinball Collective that was basically a preplay league. You had the set week to come in while the collective was open and play a set bank of
games (solo if you wanted to avoid human contract) and submit your scores, but no actual preplays, if you missed a week you forfeited. My intent was not to remove anyone based on forfeits and everyone would make the finals, so forfei<span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="">ts
equaled less points and lower seeding for finals. The aim was just fun and to have some reason to play each week during the pandemic. The first season I did 3 player(or default) groups and didn't like that those forfeits caused to many two player match ups
as I felt it skewed the points a bit if it happened to frequently. The second season I went for 4 player groups and this greatly cut down on 2 player match ups and I feel was a good offset for not dealing with preplays. I know this summer season was a kind
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<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">Option 1: Prioritize 4 player grouping to minimize risk of 1 player groups. Consequence, everyone plays in 4 player groups, in preparing to avoid the potential of someone not being there.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">(this was actually my pre-season recommendation - but the hate for 4 player groups was too strong)</div>
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<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">Option 2: Stick to the 'default' grouping which prefers 3 player groups, and face risks of 2 and 1 player groups more frequently. Rules account for all the scenarios, so you can just 'play on' w/o extra intervention. Consequence... you have
2 and 1 player scoring more frequently.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">As Matt mentioned, we have discussed and are sticking with #2 with the modification we will have the single player play with the group below them if there is space (or above) so they can play in a group - but we will still score them as their
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<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">The other options are far more disruptive change and not for something mid-season. You either change the ladder and movement system, and in turn, the handicapping model used for the whole league, or you use ghost scores of some format.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif" class="">Personally I think 4 player groups are far less disruptive and provide 'cheap' defense to the problem.. but it seems everyone hates every scoring format but 3 player groups :D</div>
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