<div dir="auto">What Pittsburgh does is generates the groups from the players that are present. We should aim to adapt the rules to that if we want the drop 2 to be successful.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 11:46 PM Daniel Cotter via FSPA <<a href="mailto:fspa@fspazone.org">fspa@fspazone.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">
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Daniel Cotter here, miss you guys. I have been running a couple seasons of a social distance league at the Richmond Pinball Collective that was basically a preplay league. You had the set week to come in while the collective was open and play a set bank of
games (solo if you wanted to avoid human contract) and submit your scores, but no actual preplays, if you missed a week you forfeited. My intent was not to remove anyone based on forfeits and everyone would make the finals, so forfei<span style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">ts
equaled less points and lower seeding for finals. The aim was just fun and to have some reason to play each week during the pandemic. The first season I did 3 player(or default) groups and didn't like that those forfeits caused to many two player match ups
as I felt it skewed the points a bit if it happened to frequently. The second season I went for 4 player groups and this greatly cut down on 2 player match ups and I feel was a good offset for not dealing with preplays. I know this summer season was a kind
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<b style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 30, 2021 3:01 AM<br>
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<b style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Cc:</b> steve <<a href="mailto:flynnibus@yahoo.com" target="_blank" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">flynnibus@yahoo.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">Option 1: Prioritize 4 player grouping to minimize risk of 1 player groups. Consequence, everyone plays in 4 player groups, in preparing to avoid the potential of someone not being there.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">(this was actually my pre-season recommendation - but the hate for 4 player groups was too strong)</div>
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<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">Option 2: Stick to the 'default' grouping which prefers 3 player groups, and face risks of 2 and 1 player groups more frequently. Rules account for all the scenarios, so you can just 'play on' w/o extra intervention. Consequence... you have
2 and 1 player scoring more frequently.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">As Matt mentioned, we have discussed and are sticking with #2 with the modification we will have the single player play with the group below them if there is space (or above) so they can play in a group - but we will still score them as their
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<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">The other options are far more disruptive change and not for something mid-season. You either change the ladder and movement system, and in turn, the handicapping model used for the whole league, or you use ghost scores of some format.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">Personally I think 4 player groups are far less disruptive and provide 'cheap' defense to the problem.. but it seems everyone hates every scoring format but 3 player groups :D</div>
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