<div dir="ltr">Modern Sterns will usually cough up one big save per ball unless the tilt is super tight. Usually TDs put the legs on rubber pucks to prevent that then you have to actually torque the cabinet. 🤣</div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 5, 2025 at 2:05 AM Max Baskin via FSPA <<a href="mailto:fspa@fspazone.org">fspa@fspazone.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Because he's Justin fucking Bath, that's how. 😆</div><div id="m_-1844437471305443011DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br><table style="border-top:1px solid rgb(211,212,222)"><tbody><tr><td style="width:55px;padding-top:13px"><a href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail" target="_blank"><img src="https://s-install.avcdn.net/ipm/preview/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif" alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"></a></td><td style="width:470px;padding-top:12px;color:rgb(65,66,78);font-size:13px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:18px">Virus-free.<a href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail" style="color:rgb(68,83,234)" target="_blank">www.avast.com</a></td></tr></tbody></table><a href="#m_-1844437471305443011_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1" height="1"></a></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 4, 2025 at 11:48 PM KIM BRENNAN via FSPA <<a href="mailto:fspa@fspazone.org" target="_blank">fspa@fspazone.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>What about Mr. Bath moving a machine 8” to the side to avoid a center drain? (“… and he didn’t even get a tilt warning? How is that possible?”) :)<div><br id="m_-1844437471305443011m_6760050491396211211lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Aug 4, 2025, at 10:20 PM, Steve Peck via FSPA <<a href="mailto:fspa@fspazone.org" target="_blank">fspa@fspazone.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">Thanks for the input guys.<br><br></div><div>from a 'philosphical' standpoint - imo any nudge that doesn't move the game's feet, or otherwise present a danger to the machine or player, should be legal. <br></div><div>in the old papa video that shows death saves and bang backs, he talks about the danger to the game and player as the main reason they are illegal. <br><br></div><div>to take it one step further removed from death saves - many games have a 'chill save' available off the skirt on a fast center drain coming at an angle. <br>occasionally those need a nudge at the point of contact to adjust the return angle. <br></div><div>if that nudge should be legal, and i certainly think it should, then the non-leg-moving 'death save' should be legal too. </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 4, 2025, 2:14 AM Dave Hubbard via FSPA <<a href="mailto:fspa@fspazone.org" target="_blank">fspa@fspazone.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr">Emphasis mine here:</div><div class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 3, 2025 at 11:51 PM Steve Peck via FSPA <<a href="mailto:fspa@fspazone.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">fspa@fspazone.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><br></div>i did a slight nudge left then right, <b>to encourage a lazarus</b> (successfully)<br></div><div>the feet of the game did not move. honestly it might have laz'ed on its own, it was really moving. <br><br></div><div>would this count as a death save in a tournament, resulting in DQ?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You admit you intentionally tried to influence the ball back into play after it drained with two separate moves - in a tournament setting, this is a DQ all day every day. Had it bounced back through no action of your own, play on.</div><div><br></div><div> --- Dave</div></div></div>
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