[FSPA] FSPA: Red Zone Grill Results for 09/21/2017 (Meet #1)

Fri Sep 22 19:51:22 EDT 2017

How about we just relax....have fun and play some pinball.  There are more
players than there are machines...you may have to wait and might be
inconvenienced but you can take that time to get to know the people in the
league a little bit better. Maybe don't take it so seriously........not a
sermon, just a thought

On Sep 22, 2017 7:13 PM, "Edan Grossman via FSPA" <fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:

I'm not the SLO of this league, Rich, Scott, and I filled in for Bob last
night to get the season started. I just wanted to elaborate on the
groupings,  play order, and address some questions that came up from last
night.

As for the delayed start, week 1 typically gets started later than the
official start time. This is because the roster and the groups needs to be
configured manually and to add in any players at the last minute.  The rest
of the season will start close to the official start time (8:00 for
RedZone) as the groupings will be automated. We had 23 players on the
roster before league, then we had 31 players at the official start time, so
we needed to rework the groups to accommodate the increased player count.
We ended up getting started at 8:30 which is not uncommon for week 1 for a
league with this many players.

We have 9 groups on 6 machines which means that there will be queues behind
machines, and there could be multiple groups waiting for a machine.  When I
ran MM, I would require the groups to play in the assigned order on their
score sheets (this is part of the rules).  I would occasionally give
certain groups permission to go out of order, but this was on a case by
case basis if there were abnormally long games holding several groups. The
reason why I prefer groups to not play out of order is to prevent queues
from building up on another machine which could hold back the league longer
than if they stayed in the assigned order.

I anticipated that having 9 groups on 6 machines would be an issue, so I
asked groups 1-3 to wait for another group to play that machine before they
play their game.  The issue with that was that groups 1 and 2 didn't have a
group to wait on, so those machines were idle until I recognized the
problem and gave them permission to go ahead.  In hindsight, I should have
asked groups 3-5 to wait, so that all the machines would have been occupied
at the start.

At MM we had a whiteboard system that worked pretty well for streamlining
the queues, as there are no questions about which group was waiting first
etc...  We could have a similar system with either paper or a small
whiteboard.

Next week will be much smoother, since we will get started on time, the
roster and initial groups are already configured, and we will make sure to
have the right groups wait on the first game.

While there were some frustrations last night, we had a good start to this
season with a new game lineup, new players, and we have 31 players on our
roster.

-Edan Grossman

On Sep 22, 2017 3:59 PM, "Caroline Creekman via FSPA" <fspa at fspazone.org>
wrote:

And that would probably work with a better group to game ratio but 9 groups
on 6 games is just a cluster. Not to mention two of the machines were game
1 for only a single group, and they were groups 1 and 2 so asking the
groups 1-3 to hold back doesn't actually do anything if no lower seeds have
that game pick as their number one. It still consigns 6 groups to fight
over 4 games, on the very first round. And looks like that's true of all of
group 1 and 2's picks -- no lower seed has their game picks for the same
number game. I'm sure there's some reasoning for this, but in practice it
was sort of a nightmare.

-- Caroline

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*From:* FSPA <fspa-bounces at fspazone.org> on behalf of Dave Hubbard via FSPA
<fspa at fspazone.org>

*Sent:* Friday, September 22, 2017 3:20 PM
*To:* FSPA main discussion list
*Cc:* Dave Hubbard
*Subject:* Re: [FSPA] FSPA: Red Zone Grill Results for 09/21/2017 (Meet #1)

If this helps, we've handled this in the past at VBH with what we called
"wait states."  If we had say, 10 groups and 9 machines, then two groups
would be playing the same machine for game 1 and possibly other games.  The
group that waits would have a big black bar drawn on the sheet above their
group, as some sort of visual indicator that they are the waiting group and
the other group goes first.

IIRC it had mixed success, but it was at least an attempt to flesh out the
complete order for the night.

         --- Dave

On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Daniel Cotter via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
wrote:

> After the confusion last night of who has game priority I ask that The SLO
> make an offical statement as to how this will be handled. I would suggest
> that it be groups are not to play out of order, what game is it for the
> group (ie 1st, 2nd, 3rd) low game gets priority, then lower group gets
> priority. Thanks
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* FSPA <fspa-bounces+gotta_fixit=hotmail.com at fspazone.org> on
> behalf of Bob Johnson via League Manager via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 22, 2017 3:17 AM
> *To:* fspa at fspazone.org
> *Cc:* Bob Johnson via League Manager
> *Subject:* [FSPA] FSPA: Red Zone Grill Results for 09/21/2017 (Meet #1)
>
> Meet Results - FSPA: Red Zone Grill Fall 2017
> Meet #1 - September 21, 2017
> <http://fspa.league.papa.org/meetResults/129/1>
> Overall Standings Show Points By Meet
> <http://fspa.league.papa.org/pointsByMeet/129/1>
>
> Player Total Points Forfeits
> Ken Van Pool <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_130> 18
> Caroline Creekman <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_316> 16
> Patrick Pacak <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_389>[image:
> :)] <http://fspa.league.papa.org/playerInfo/389#badges> 15
> Brad Streeter <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_91> 15
> Deb Kapke <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_22> 14
> Alex Venezia <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_395>[image:
> :)] <http://fspa.league.papa.org/playerInfo/395#badges> 14
> CJ Brown <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_207> 14
> Francisco Cueto <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_385>[image:
> :)] <http://fspa.league.papa.org/playerInfo/385#badges> 14
> Dan Cotter <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_216> 13
> Jessica Harrison <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_119> 12
> Mike Polisky <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_386> 12
> Eric Schoch <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_346>[image:
> :)] <http://fspa.league.papa.org/playerInfo/346#badges> 12
> Daniel Reynolds <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_311>[image:
> :)] <http://fspa.league.papa.org/playerInfo/311#badges> 12
> David Horner <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_103> 12
> Steve Kapinos <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_155>[image:
> :)] <http://fspa.league.papa.org/playerInfo/155#badges> 10
> Bob S. Johnson <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_210> 10
> Edan Grossman <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_250> 10
> Christine Grieco <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_396>[image:
> :)] <http://fspa.league.papa.org/playerInfo/396#badges> 9
> Audrey Bonsignore <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_279>[image:
> :)] <http://fspa.league.papa.org/playerInfo/279#badges> 9
> Rudy Keiser <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_150> 8
> Rob Thomas <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_201>[image: :)]
> <http://fspa.league.papa.org/playerInfo/201#badges> 8
> Randy Bisset <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_318> 8
> Jonathan Williams <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_193> 8
> Scott Sidley <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_73> 8
> Ed Most <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_104> 5
> Lindsey Most <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_132> 4
> Aaron Hunter <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_392>[image:
> :)] <http://fspa.league.papa.org/playerInfo/392#badges> 3
> Rich Wickersham <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_180> 3
> Steve Ryback <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_344> 3
> Bridget Merz <http://fspa.league.papa.org/stats/129/1-1#wlbp_95> 1
> Match Results
> Group 1
> players
> Edan Grossman
> David Horner
> Scott Sidley
> Dialed In
> game 1 scores pts
> 89,970 0
> [image: ‡]581,160 4
> 113,800 2
> Spider-Man
> game 2 scores pts
> 44,144,720 2
> [image: ‡]136,930,890 4
> 21,663,570 0
> Power Play
> game 3 scores pts
> [image: ‡]314,530 4
> 14,640 0
> 96,610 2
> Doctor Who
> game 4 scores pts
> 155,964,300 2
> 14,647,290 1
> 168,069,520 3
> Game
> Points
> 8
> 9
> 7
> Bonus
> Points
> 2
> 3
> 1
> Total
> Points
> 10
> 12
> 8
> Next
> Group
>
>
> [image: ↓]
> Group 2
> players
> Bob S. Johnson
> Daniel Reynolds
> Jonathan Williams
> Monster Bash
> game 1 scores pts
> 21,318,140 2
> 20,853,860 0
> [image: ‡]142,378,340 4
> Dialed In
> game 2 scores pts
> 84,300 2
> 423,840 4
> 14,080 0
> Spider-Man
> game 3 scores pts
> 18,164,580 3
> 15,400,900 2
> 12,206,480 1
> Power Play
> game 4 scores pts
> 62,100 1
> 154,980 3
> 107,520 2
> Game
> Points
> 8
> 9
> 7
> Bonus
> Points
> 2
> 3
> 1
> Total
> Points
> 10
> 12
> 8
> Next
> Group
>
> [image: ↑]
> [image: ↓]
> Group 3
> players
> Ed Most
> Eric Schoch
> Dan Cotter
> Doctor Who
> game 1 scores pts
> [image: ‡]553,943,910 4
> 189,241,420 2
> 76,249,850 0
> Metallica
> game 2 scores pts
> 2,239,890 0
> 3,525,380 2
> 14,781,290 4
> Monster Bash
> game 3 scores pts
> 2,629,960 0
> 21,280,600 4
> 9,153,790 2
> Dialed In
> game 4 scores pts
> 48,730 0
> 71,860 2
> 173,300 4
> Game
> Points
> 4
> 10
> 10
> Bonus
> Points
> 1
> 2
> 3
> Total
> Points
> 5
> 12
> 13
> Next
> Group
> [image: ↓]
>
> [image: ↑]
> Group 4
> players
> Randy Bisset
> Ken Van Pool
> Lindsey Most
> Metallica
> game 1 scores pts
> 23,863,590 2
> 34,261,810 3
> 20,694,480 1
> Monster Bash
> game 2 scores pts
> 6,150,770 0
> 35,502,240 4
> 10,273,950 2
> Dialed In
> game 3 scores pts
> 84,590 2
> 352,260 4
> 78,860 0
> Spider-Man
> game 4 scores pts
> 18,002,640 2
> 18,797,830 3
> 4,138,800 1
> Game
> Points
> 6
> 14
> 4
> Bonus
> Points
> 2
> 4
> 0
> Total
> Points
> 8
> 18
> 4
> Next
> Group
>
> [image: ↑]
> [image: ↓]
> Group 5
> players
> Steve Kapinos
> Rob Thomas
> Mike Polisky
> Power Play
> game 1 scores pts
> 47,150 0
> 145,920 4
> 76,190 2
> Doctor Who
> game 2 scores pts
> 290,731,540 2
> 327,577,960 3
> 39,067,650 1
>

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