[FSPA] CarPool playoff info for 8/14/18

Tue Aug 14 12:34:51 EDT 2018

Perhaps we should take an informal poll at the start of things tonight
after an explanation of why a change is being considered.  As CJ pointed
out, the 4th & 5th place players in each group have a lot of down time
after the semifinal round. Losing sucks, losing then being reminded of it
for an extended period of time while you wait for the top 3 to finish sucks
more.  But as Steve Ritchie says, "Play Better!".  Also the thing to
consider is you qualified for the playoffs.  Half the league didn't.

Personally I like the idea of doing prizes during league night just because
you capture the experience in one fell swoop.  Coming back in 3 weeks to
pick your prize(s) doesn't feel quite as rewarding to me.  That said I
realize that people might have to get up earlier than me. :)

We'll see what the group consensus is.

Bob

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 11:41 AM, Deb Kapke via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
wrote:

> Agreed. In the past anyway, other league locations haven't done prize
> picks the same night as playoffs. Play poorly then go home early. Play
> well, stay late.
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> On Aug 14, 2018, at 11:23 AM, steve via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:
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> I personally yearn for the two stage playoffs... and like it when we get
> over 4 playoff spots.
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> If the concern is about 'having to stay till the end' for those not
> participating... that is a byproduct of the switch to doing prizes during
> finals night.  Why not simply change it so if you are going to have a dual
> finals night, simply NOT do prizes that night in that league.  Pick a date
> ahead of time that makes sense... be it the party, week0 of next season...
> something where a sizable portion of the people would likely be present, or
> can schedule around.
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> They don't have to be done the same night... that's just a format Bill
> brought in years ago at JP that worked well because it added to the
> evening.. but if it becomes an issue when we hit large scale, then we
> should adjust.
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> -Steve
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> On Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 8:52:24 AM EDT, Kevin Stone via FSPA <
> fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:
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> I agree with CJ, and have played in 5 player playoffs previously.  I
> estimate we’ll be done by midnight but not before 11pm.  Especially with 4
> divisions and long playing games.  Combine waitlists with having up to 8
> matches going at a time with 9 games, yeah it will be a long night.
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> *From:* FSPA [mailto:fspa-bounces at fspazone.org <fspa-bounces at fspazone.org>]
> *On Behalf Of *Max Baskin via FSPA
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2018 8:47 AM
> *To:* FSPA main discussion list
> *Cc:* Max Baskin
> *Subject:* Re: [FSPA] CarPool playoff info for 8/14/18
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> I don't think it's quite as bad as you're imagining since all of the games
> in the semifinals are 2 player, but yeah, that definitely has the potential
> to be a long night.
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> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 7:57 AM CJ Brown via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:
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> May I make a request to the powers that be?
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> Can you consider changing the amount of people that get into finals after
> the season ends?    I hope this doesn't get dismissed with the reasoning
> "this is the way it has always been done".  The rules are very clear.  I am
> asking if they might be changed with some thought about the length of
> finals and the time at which they start.
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> Long story short, tomorrow is going to be a *very* late night.
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> 4 person finals have five rounds.  Starting at 8 pm already takes a long
> time factoring in waiting and machine availability.  There have been a few
> finals where I was absolutely dead on my feet by the time the night ended.
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> If I understand the 5 person finals rules correctly, tomorrow there will
> be *ten* rounds of pinball instead of *five*.  Semi-finals for all, then
> Finals for the top 3 players.   That means the last 2 people in each group
> tomorrow don't get to play in the final five rounds.   They literally can
> only sit and wait for everyone else to finish until prizes start.
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> There are certainly alternative solutions to pinball finals than what is
> currently listed in the rulebook.  Dan Cotter submitted a spreadsheet with
> alternatives a few seasons ago.  However, I know that I am not the person
> that makes those decisions.
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> Many thanks! - CJ
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> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:17 PM, Joe Schober via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
> wrote:
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> Alex V wrote...
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> How do the playoffs work with groups of 5?
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> There is both a semifinal and a final round.
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> In the semifinal round, each participant will play head-to-head games
> against every other participant (so everyone plays 4 games), earning league
> points in the usual manner (3-1 unless the winner more than TRIPLES the
> loser, in which case it's 4-0).
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> The top three point-earners in the semifinal round move on to the final
> round, which is played as usual (an all-play, head-to-heads between each
> player, and another all-play -- so 4 games total again).
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> The main other "gotcha" is that a player with a game pick may not pick the
> same machine for a head-to-head game against the same opponent in both the
> semis and the finals.
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> http://www.fspazone.org/complete-rules/#8.3
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> --Joe
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