[FSPA] CarPool playoff info for 8/14/18

Tue Aug 14 13:28:06 EDT 2018

I'm interested to see how tonight goes.  Yesterday I had two main concerns.

1) The 4th and 5th place players have to wait around until last pick at the
prize pool.  That sucks and is not fun.  They will probably have to wait 2
hours to get their prize.

2)   How late the night goes.   I don't think a most people will care, but
some league players might have very long and tired drives home after
midnight+.  Everyone has crazy different schedules.  I know a ton of guys
at carpool are up all hours and its not an issue for them.

Having been prize czar and stayed to the very end of the night, I think
that 25 players will take at least an hour after all finals have finished
to pick out prizes.

There are many solutions.  As Steve and Deb said, don't do prizes the same
night.  Have the playoffs at a different time/day.   Change the number of
people getting into finals.  (As I said, someone already submitted multiple
alternatives)

 All these options could be at SLO preference.  Nothing will change
tonight.  I just thought it was important to bring up for consideration to
the people that write the legitimate FSPA rulebook considering the number
of people we have playing tonight.

By all means if I am in the minority, continue on! :)

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 12:34 PM, The Bob via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
wrote:

> Perhaps we should take an informal poll at the start of things tonight
> after an explanation of why a change is being considered.  As CJ pointed
> out, the 4th & 5th place players in each group have a lot of down time
> after the semifinal round. Losing sucks, losing then being reminded of it
> for an extended period of time while you wait for the top 3 to finish sucks
> more.  But as Steve Ritchie says, "Play Better!".  Also the thing to
> consider is you qualified for the playoffs.  Half the league didn't.
>
> Personally I like the idea of doing prizes during league night just
> because you capture the experience in one fell swoop.  Coming back in 3
> weeks to pick your prize(s) doesn't feel quite as rewarding to me.  That
> said I realize that people might have to get up earlier than me. :)
>
> We'll see what the group consensus is.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 11:41 AM, Deb Kapke via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Agreed. In the past anyway, other league locations haven't done prize
>> picks the same night as playoffs. Play poorly then go home early. Play
>> well, stay late.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 11:23 AM, steve via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:
>>
>> I personally yearn for the two stage playoffs... and like it when we get
>> over 4 playoff spots.
>>
>> If the concern is about 'having to stay till the end' for those not
>> participating... that is a byproduct of the switch to doing prizes during
>> finals night.  Why not simply change it so if you are going to have a dual
>> finals night, simply NOT do prizes that night in that league.  Pick a date
>> ahead of time that makes sense... be it the party, week0 of next season...
>> something where a sizable portion of the people would likely be present, or
>> can schedule around.
>>
>> They don't have to be done the same night... that's just a format Bill
>> brought in years ago at JP that worked well because it added to the
>> evening.. but if it becomes an issue when we hit large scale, then we
>> should adjust.
>>
>> -Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 8:52:24 AM EDT, Kevin Stone via FSPA <
>> fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I agree with CJ, and have played in 5 player playoffs previously.  I
>> estimate we’ll be done by midnight but not before 11pm.  Especially with 4
>> divisions and long playing games.  Combine waitlists with having up to 8
>> matches going at a time with 9 games, yeah it will be a long night.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* FSPA [mailto:fspa-bounces at fspazone.org
>> <fspa-bounces at fspazone.org>] *On Behalf Of *Max Baskin via FSPA
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2018 8:47 AM
>> *To:* FSPA main discussion list
>> *Cc:* Max Baskin
>> *Subject:* Re: [FSPA] CarPool playoff info for 8/14/18
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't think it's quite as bad as you're imagining since all of the
>> games in the semifinals are 2 player, but yeah, that definitely has the
>> potential to be a long night.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 7:57 AM CJ Brown via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> May I make a request to the powers that be?
>>
>>
>>
>> Can you consider changing the amount of people that get into finals after
>> the season ends?    I hope this doesn't get dismissed with the reasoning
>> "this is the way it has always been done".  The rules are very clear.  I am
>> asking if they might be changed with some thought about the length of
>> finals and the time at which they start.
>>
>>
>>
>> Long story short, tomorrow is going to be a *very* late night.
>>
>>
>>
>> 4 person finals have five rounds.  Starting at 8 pm already takes a long
>> time factoring in waiting and machine availability.  There have been a few
>> finals where I was absolutely dead on my feet by the time the night ended.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If I understand the 5 person finals rules correctly, tomorrow there will
>> be *ten* rounds of pinball instead of *five*.  Semi-finals for all, then
>> Finals for the top 3 players.   That means the last 2 people in each group
>> tomorrow don't get to play in the final five rounds.   They literally can
>> only sit and wait for everyone else to finish until prizes start.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are certainly alternative solutions to pinball finals than what is
>> currently listed in the rulebook.  Dan Cotter submitted a spreadsheet with
>> alternatives a few seasons ago.  However, I know that I am not the person
>> that makes those decisions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Many thanks! - CJ
>>
>>
>>
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>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:17 PM, Joe Schober via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Alex V wrote...
>>
>>
>>
>> How do the playoffs work with groups of 5?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> There is both a semifinal and a final round.
>>
>>
>>
>> In the semifinal round, each participant will play head-to-head games
>> against every other participant (so everyone plays 4 games), earning league
>> points in the usual manner (3-1 unless the winner more than TRIPLES the
>> loser, in which case it's 4-0).
>>
>>
>>
>> The top three point-earners in the semifinal round move on to the final
>> round, which is played as usual (an all-play, head-to-heads between each
>> player, and another all-play -- so 4 games total again).
>>
>>
>>
>> The main other "gotcha" is that a player with a game pick may not pick
>> the same machine for a head-to-head game against the same opponent in both
>> the semis and the finals.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.fspazone.org/complete-rules/#8.3
>>
>>
>>
>> --Joe
>>
>>
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