[FSPA] FSPA: Ocelot Results for 06/22/2021 (Meet #2)

[Kevin Stone]

Or maybe outplay % instead of ladder position…

From: FSPA [mailto:fspa-bounces+pinball=kevinsplanet.com at fspazone.org] On Behalf Of Matt Wycoff via FSPA
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 6:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [FSPA] FSPA: Ocelot Results for 06/22/2021 (Meet #2)

Let’s remove the average ladder position part of the calculation if it doesn’t matter.

Just make it based on rankings.

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 5:34 PM steve via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org<mailto:fspa at fspazone.org>> wrote:
> it's just the magical wonder of Effective Points without preplays for it to hide behind.

No, it's actually more about the wonders of what happens when you have multiple things going on concurrently...    You have a player drop, you have the number of 4 player groups changing, AND the fun of the 3 player group vs 4 player group boundary, and effective points.

This is more about the way the groups look AFTER ladder movement and a change in group makeup.

People get predisposed to believe the simplifications we memorize are the real rules.. they aren't :)  Players don't actually move between groups each week...  they move up and down the ladder.  Groups are formed last... after everything else.

So when people just focus on groups, they often get really confused when the group scheme changes.

Ideas like 'freeze the player so they don't change groups' are not practical methods because they assume groups are fixed - they are not.  The player's ladder movement is done after each match...   Groups are drawn up based on the ladder - not necessarily last week's groups were.

There is alot of churn going into week 3 because the Groupings changed when we dropped one player.  3 4player groups instead of 4 of them.

-Steve

On Tuesday, June 22, 2021, 11:15:44 AM EDT, Rob Wintler-Cox via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org<mailto:fspa at fspazone.org>> wrote:


On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 10:51 AM Paul Liam McGlone via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org<mailto:fspa at fspazone.org>> wrote:
The summer scoring system certainly has some anomalies.

I don't think this is anything new, it's just the magical wonder of Effective Points without preplays for it to hide behind.
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