[FSPA] FSPA: MOM's Organic Pinball Results for 09/29/2021 (Meet #2)

[Dave Hubbard]

Hm, that would lead me to believe that games 2,3,4 are random, and looking
at the results on this thread for MOMs, there are definitely patterns.

Group 3 went 8BD -> Metallica > Iron Maiden -> BKSOR
Group 6 went Iron Maiden -> BKSOR -> 8BD -> Metallica

Group 4 went Dialed In -> AFM -> AIQ -> Hot Tip
Group 5 went AIQ -> Hot Tip -> Dialed In -> AFM

That's a loop of the same games for those group pairs, which seems really
odd if a true shuffle is happening.  Week 1 doesn't exhibit this pattern
though.

MOM's brass: how are y'all doing game sets?  I'm really curious now.

       --- Dave

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 6:11 PM steve <flynnibus at yahoo.com> wrote:

> >You likely won't know who picked what, but you will know what games were
> picked and therefore which games are
> > going to show up in other people's groups
>
> I don't think any of the leagues have been using this method for some
> time.  That was the old paper distribution model where the available games
> for the night were taken from the game picks, and then distributed in a
> following pattern intended to have higher groups follow lower groups.
>
> But since the migration to the tatersoft software, there is a 'shuffle'
> feature that doesn't use the same game assignment logic.  It simply picks a
> game you haven't played, that also hasn't been assigned yet for that
> round.  Does that for each group, then repeats for each round.  So it
> selects from the pool of location games and decides based on avoiding
> conflicts, not based on which games were picked for round 1.
>
> -Steve
>
> On Thursday, September 30, 2021, 06:04:29 PM EDT, Dave Hubbard via FSPA <
> fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:
>
>
> They are definitely overrated.  It's one game out of 40 that you play in a
> season.  It's insignificant unless your league officer(s) use a progression
> for determining the other games in your group that involve everyone else's
> game picks, in which case people with later game picks can, theoretically,
> pick games in other groups as well.
>
> Something like this.  Imagine you have 12 machines for league, noted A
> through L for simplicity.
>
> Group 1 picks machine A
> Group 2 picks machine B
> ...
> Group 8 is last to pick, and 7 machines have already been chosen.  This
> group's pick will be game H, leaving I/J/K/L to be assigned randomly to the
> progression.
>
> Every group in groups 1-7 that includes slot H is effectively chosen by
> group 8's game picker, and you can trace this back up the groups as well
> (for example, there's probably a few groups that include G, chosen by group
> 7).
>
> So basically, game picks are not just your pick unless your SLO is filling
> out the other 3 games randomly.  You likely won't know who picked what, but
> you will know what games were picked and therefore which games are going to
> show up in other people's groups.  If you know the progression (and your
> SLO uses the same one every week) then with a little effort you can know
> which other groups are going to get the game you pick for your group, and
> that might be advantageous.
>
>         --- Dave
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 3:13 PM Kevin Stone via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
> wrote:
>
> I think game picks are overrated.  Every time I’ve picked a game, I end up
> playing horrible on it.
>
>
>
> *From:* FSPA [mailto:fspa-bounces+pinball=kevinsplanet.com at fspazone.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Joe Schober via FSPA
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 29, 2021 11:47 PM
> *To:* FSPA main discussion list
> *Cc:* Joe Schober
> *Subject:* Re: [FSPA] FSPA: MOM's Organic Pinball Results for 09/29/2021
> (Meet #2)
>
>
>
> Steph wrote...
>
>
>
> I don’t understand the ladder movement. I won my group but stayed in the
> same group, I suppose this has to do with rearranging the groups into three
> person groups after this meet but now who gets game picks?
>
>
>
>
>
> "At each meet, the winner of each group who has moved up (except the
> winner of group 1) will choose their new group’s first machine to be
> played. In the lowest group, the lowest-ranked player will choose the first
> machine to be played. If there is a conflict due to dropouts and
> regrouping, then the lowest-ranked player in each affected group will have
> the machine pick."
>
>
>
>
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