[FSPA] curiousity about tournament death save rule

[Steve Peck]

Big slide saves are usually safer than small ones for not tilting.

I think anything goes for moving the game usually, if the ball is in the in
play area and you can do it without tilting

On Mon, Aug 4, 2025, 11:47 PM KIM BRENNAN <kimbrennan at mac.com> wrote:

> What about Mr. Bath moving a machine 8” to the side to avoid a center
> drain? (“… and he didn’t even get a tilt warning? How is that possible?”) :)
>
>
> On Aug 4, 2025, at 10:20 PM, Steve Peck via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the input guys.
>
> from a 'philosphical' standpoint - imo any nudge that doesn't move the
> game's feet, or otherwise present a danger to the machine or player, should
> be legal.
> in the old papa video that shows death saves and bang backs, he
> talks about the danger to the game and player as the main reason they are
> illegal.
>
> to take it one step further removed from death saves - many games have a
> 'chill save' available off the skirt on a fast center drain coming at an
> angle.
> occasionally those need a nudge at the point of contact to adjust the
> return angle.
> if that nudge should be legal, and i certainly think it should, then the
> non-leg-moving 'death save' should be legal too.
>
> On Mon, Aug 4, 2025, 2:14 AM Dave Hubbard via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Emphasis mine here:
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2025 at 11:51 PM Steve Peck via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> i did a slight nudge left then right, *to encourage a lazarus*
>>> (successfully)
>>> the feet of the game did not move. honestly it might have laz'ed on its
>>> own, it was really moving.
>>>
>>> would this count as a death save in a tournament, resulting in DQ?
>>>
>>
>> You admit you intentionally tried to influence the ball back into play
>> after it drained with two separate moves - in a tournament setting, this is
>> a DQ all day every day.  Had it bounced back through no action of your own,
>> play on.
>>
>>         --- Dave
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