[FSPA] curiousity about tournament death save rule

[KIM BRENNAN]

What about Mr. Bath moving a machine 8” to the side to avoid a center drain? (“… and he didn’t even get a tilt warning? How is that possible?”) :)


> On Aug 4, 2025, at 10:20 PM, Steve Peck via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the input guys.
> 
> from a 'philosphical' standpoint - imo any nudge that doesn't move the game's feet, or otherwise present a danger to the machine or player, should be legal. 
> in the old papa video that shows death saves and bang backs, he talks about the danger to the game and player as the main reason they are illegal. 
> 
> to take it one step further removed from death saves - many games have a 'chill save' available off the skirt on a fast center drain coming at an angle. 
> occasionally those need a nudge at the point of contact to adjust the return angle. 
> if that nudge should be legal, and i certainly think it should, then the non-leg-moving 'death save' should be legal too. 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 4, 2025, 2:14 AM Dave Hubbard via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org <mailto:fspa at fspazone.org>> wrote:
>> Emphasis mine here:
>> 
>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2025 at 11:51 PM Steve Peck via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org <mailto:fspa at fspazone.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> i did a slight nudge left then right, to encourage a lazarus (successfully)
>>> the feet of the game did not move. honestly it might have laz'ed on its own, it was really moving. 
>>> 
>>> would this count as a death save in a tournament, resulting in DQ?
>> 
>> You admit you intentionally tried to influence the ball back into play after it drained with two separate moves - in a tournament setting, this is a DQ all day every day.  Had it bounced back through no action of your own, play on.
>> 
>>         --- Dave
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