[FSPA] curiousity about tournament death save rule

[Steve Peck]

If you do a big save and collect the ball, remember to use the peckking
(tm) technique to stop the bobber :)

On Tue, Aug 5, 2025, 11:30 PM The Bob via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:

> Modern Sterns will usually cough up one big save per ball unless the tilt
> is super tight. Usually TDs put the legs on rubber pucks to prevent that
> then you have to actually torque the cabinet. 🤣
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2025 at 2:05 AM Max Baskin via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Because he's Justin fucking Bath, that's how. 😆
>>
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>> On Mon, Aug 4, 2025 at 11:48 PM KIM BRENNAN via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What about Mr. Bath moving a machine 8” to the side to avoid a center
>>> drain? (“… and he didn’t even get a tilt warning? How is that possible?”) :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2025, at 10:20 PM, Steve Peck via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the input guys.
>>>
>>> from a 'philosphical' standpoint - imo any nudge that doesn't move the
>>> game's feet, or otherwise present a danger to the machine or player, should
>>> be legal.
>>> in the old papa video that shows death saves and bang backs, he
>>> talks about the danger to the game and player as the main reason they are
>>> illegal.
>>>
>>> to take it one step further removed from death saves - many games have a
>>> 'chill save' available off the skirt on a fast center drain coming at an
>>> angle.
>>> occasionally those need a nudge at the point of contact to adjust the
>>> return angle.
>>> if that nudge should be legal, and i certainly think it should, then the
>>> non-leg-moving 'death save' should be legal too.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 4, 2025, 2:14 AM Dave Hubbard via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Emphasis mine here:
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2025 at 11:51 PM Steve Peck via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i did a slight nudge left then right, *to encourage a lazarus*
>>>>> (successfully)
>>>>> the feet of the game did not move. honestly it might have laz'ed on
>>>>> its own, it was really moving.
>>>>>
>>>>> would this count as a death save in a tournament, resulting in DQ?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You admit you intentionally tried to influence the ball back into play
>>>> after it drained with two separate moves - in a tournament setting, this is
>>>> a DQ all day every day.  Had it bounced back through no action of your own,
>>>> play on.
>>>>
>>>>         --- Dave
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