[FSPA] curiousity about tournament death save rule

[The Bob]

Modern Sterns will usually cough up one big save per ball unless the tilt
is super tight. Usually TDs put the legs on rubber pucks to prevent that
then you have to actually torque the cabinet. 🤣

On Tue, Aug 5, 2025 at 2:05 AM Max Baskin via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
wrote:

> Because he's Justin fucking Bath, that's how. 😆
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> On Mon, Aug 4, 2025 at 11:48 PM KIM BRENNAN via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
> wrote:
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>> What about Mr. Bath moving a machine 8” to the side to avoid a center
>> drain? (“… and he didn’t even get a tilt warning? How is that possible?”) :)
>>
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2025, at 10:20 PM, Steve Peck via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the input guys.
>>
>> from a 'philosphical' standpoint - imo any nudge that doesn't move the
>> game's feet, or otherwise present a danger to the machine or player, should
>> be legal.
>> in the old papa video that shows death saves and bang backs, he
>> talks about the danger to the game and player as the main reason they are
>> illegal.
>>
>> to take it one step further removed from death saves - many games have a
>> 'chill save' available off the skirt on a fast center drain coming at an
>> angle.
>> occasionally those need a nudge at the point of contact to adjust the
>> return angle.
>> if that nudge should be legal, and i certainly think it should, then the
>> non-leg-moving 'death save' should be legal too.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 4, 2025, 2:14 AM Dave Hubbard via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Emphasis mine here:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2025 at 11:51 PM Steve Peck via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> i did a slight nudge left then right, *to encourage a lazarus*
>>>> (successfully)
>>>> the feet of the game did not move. honestly it might have laz'ed on its
>>>> own, it was really moving.
>>>>
>>>> would this count as a death save in a tournament, resulting in DQ?
>>>>
>>>
>>> You admit you intentionally tried to influence the ball back into play
>>> after it drained with two separate moves - in a tournament setting, this is
>>> a DQ all day every day.  Had it bounced back through no action of your own,
>>> play on.
>>>
>>>         --- Dave
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