[FSPA] CarPool playoff info for 8/14/18

Tue Aug 14 14:07:31 EDT 2018

Is finals format one of the things that can be modified at league officer
discretion, provided it's done at the start of the season ?

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 1:47 PM CJ Brown via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:

> I'm interested to see how tonight goes.  Yesterday I had two main concerns.
>
> 1) The 4th and 5th place players have to wait around until last pick at
> the prize pool.  That sucks and is not fun.  They will probably have to
> wait 2 hours to get their prize.
>
> 2)   How late the night goes.   I don't think a most people will care, but
> some league players might have very long and tired drives home after
> midnight+.  Everyone has crazy different schedules.  I know a ton of guys
> at carpool are up all hours and its not an issue for them.
>
> Having been prize czar and stayed to the very end of the night, I think
> that 25 players will take at least an hour after all finals have finished
> to pick out prizes.
>
> There are many solutions.  As Steve and Deb said, don't do prizes the same
> night.  Have the playoffs at a different time/day.   Change the number of
> people getting into finals.  (As I said, someone already submitted multiple
> alternatives)
>
>  All these options could be at SLO preference.  Nothing will change
> tonight.  I just thought it was important to bring up for consideration to
> the people that write the legitimate FSPA rulebook considering the number
> of people we have playing tonight.
>
> By all means if I am in the minority, continue on! :)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 12:34 PM, The Bob via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps we should take an informal poll at the start of things tonight
>> after an explanation of why a change is being considered.  As CJ pointed
>> out, the 4th & 5th place players in each group have a lot of down time
>> after the semifinal round. Losing sucks, losing then being reminded of it
>> for an extended period of time while you wait for the top 3 to finish sucks
>> more.  But as Steve Ritchie says, "Play Better!".  Also the thing to
>> consider is you qualified for the playoffs.  Half the league didn't.
>>
>> Personally I like the idea of doing prizes during league night just
>> because you capture the experience in one fell swoop.  Coming back in 3
>> weeks to pick your prize(s) doesn't feel quite as rewarding to me.  That
>> said I realize that people might have to get up earlier than me. :)
>>
>> We'll see what the group consensus is.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 11:41 AM, Deb Kapke via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed. In the past anyway, other league locations haven't done prize
>>> picks the same night as playoffs. Play poorly then go home early. Play
>>> well, stay late.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 11:23 AM, steve via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I personally yearn for the two stage playoffs... and like it when we get
>>> over 4 playoff spots.
>>>
>>> If the concern is about 'having to stay till the end' for those not
>>> participating... that is a byproduct of the switch to doing prizes during
>>> finals night.  Why not simply change it so if you are going to have a dual
>>> finals night, simply NOT do prizes that night in that league.  Pick a date
>>> ahead of time that makes sense... be it the party, week0 of next season...
>>> something where a sizable portion of the people would likely be present, or
>>> can schedule around.
>>>
>>> They don't have to be done the same night... that's just a format Bill
>>> brought in years ago at JP that worked well because it added to the
>>> evening.. but if it becomes an issue when we hit large scale, then we
>>> should adjust.
>>>
>>> -Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 8:52:24 AM EDT, Kevin Stone via FSPA <
>>> fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with CJ, and have played in 5 player playoffs previously.  I
>>> estimate we’ll be done by midnight but not before 11pm.  Especially with 4
>>> divisions and long playing games.  Combine waitlists with having up to 8
>>> matches going at a time with 9 games, yeah it will be a long night.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* FSPA [mailto:fspa-bounces at fspazone.org
>>> <fspa-bounces at fspazone.org>] *On Behalf Of *Max Baskin via FSPA
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2018 8:47 AM
>>> *To:* FSPA main discussion list
>>> *Cc:* Max Baskin
>>> *Subject:* Re: [FSPA] CarPool playoff info for 8/14/18
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think it's quite as bad as you're imagining since all of the
>>> games in the semifinals are 2 player, but yeah, that definitely has the
>>> potential to be a long night.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 7:57 AM CJ Brown via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> May I make a request to the powers that be?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Can you consider changing the amount of people that get into finals
>>> after the season ends?    I hope this doesn't get dismissed with the
>>> reasoning "this is the way it has always been done".  The rules are very
>>> clear.  I am asking if they might be changed with some thought about the
>>> length of finals and the time at which they start.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Long story short, tomorrow is going to be a *very* late night.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 4 person finals have five rounds.  Starting at 8 pm already takes a long
>>> time factoring in waiting and machine availability.  There have been a few
>>> finals where I was absolutely dead on my feet by the time the night ended.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If I understand the 5 person finals rules correctly, tomorrow there will
>>> be *ten* rounds of pinball instead of *five*.  Semi-finals for all, then
>>> Finals for the top 3 players.   That means the last 2 people in each group
>>> tomorrow don't get to play in the final five rounds.   They literally can
>>> only sit and wait for everyone else to finish until prizes start.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There are certainly alternative solutions to pinball finals than what is
>>> currently listed in the rulebook.  Dan Cotter submitted a spreadsheet with
>>> alternatives a few seasons ago.  However, I know that I am not the person
>>> that makes those decisions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Many thanks! - CJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:17 PM, Joe Schober via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Alex V wrote...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How do the playoffs work with groups of 5?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is both a semifinal and a final round.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the semifinal round, each participant will play head-to-head games
>>> against every other participant (so everyone plays 4 games), earning league
>>> points in the usual manner (3-1 unless the winner more than TRIPLES the
>>> loser, in which case it's 4-0).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The top three point-earners in the semifinal round move on to the final
>>> round, which is played as usual (an all-play, head-to-heads between each
>>> player, and another all-play -- so 4 games total again).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The main other "gotcha" is that a player with a game pick may not pick
>>> the same machine for a head-to-head game against the same opponent in both
>>> the semis and the finals.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.fspazone.org/complete-rules/#8.3
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --Joe
>>>
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