[FSPA] FSPA: Ocelot Results for 06/22/2021 (Meet #2)

[Joe Kosack]

I just signed up to teach a MasterClass on effective points.

In an seriousness, effective points are mainly a mechanism for approximating performance.  It’s easy to say that someone who is missing and forfeits all four games should stay in the same group.  And that’s what happens most of the time!  The trouble comes when there is a tie and how to move people on the ladder.

Yes, ladder, not groups.  It’s easy to think about moving groups, but in reality, groups are made up from the league ladder.  By locking people into a spot on the ladder, you prevent the movement necessary to keep the ladder a living, breathing enterprise.

The other thing to consider is what happens when someone leaves early for whatever reason.  The effective points allow us to approximate performance to properly set the ladder after the meet is over.  It’s not about rewarding/punishing someone who is missing, but more about approximating the ladder in the best possible way so that the next meet’s groupings are as fair as possible.

Joe K

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On Jun 22, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Matt Wycoff via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:


Last night in my ocelot group (3).. I got one point and moved down because Ed most didn’t show up and gets two points so he stays in place while joe s. moves up.

Stupid.

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 1:02 PM Steve Peck via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org<mailto:fspa at fspazone.org>> wrote:
I asked about this years ago at vbh there's a reason why you can't just freeze people who don't show. I can't remember why though. Some edge case?

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 12:30 PM Stephanie Traub via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org<mailto:fspa at fspazone.org>> wrote:
People who don't show up to league should stay in the same group for the next week, unless everyone is absent, then let the evil software do it's nonsense with tiebreakers

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 12:19 PM Rob Wintler-Cox via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org<mailto:fspa at fspazone.org>> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 11:55 AM Deb Kapke via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org<mailto:fspa at fspazone.org>> wrote:
Without effective points, how would you suggest figuring groupings for the week following forfeits?  Just curious.

Trial by combat.
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