[FSPA] FSPA: Ocelot Results for 06/22/2021 (Meet #2)

[Matt Wycoff]

Someone who doesn’t show up to league has a higher potential for an A
division ranking than someone who played.  That doesn’t make sense.

You can minimize its importance than also talk about how it’s critical to
balance.

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 6:39 PM steve <flynnibus at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Avg ladder is only used for division separation.  If you did it based only
> on ranking, you are focusing on a narrower slice in time to make your
> decision based on division boundaries.
>
> Avg Ladder means you make decisions based on 5 weeks of play...  ranking
> would mean just one week of play becomes far more critical.  You could be
> in the top all season, and lose one week and be out.
>
> It's just a way to make a wider assessment of what division a player
> should be in... vs a moment in time.
>
> Because it's not a play-in, ultimately initial seeding does play into
> division qualifications.  Even tho avg ladder tries to minimize it... when
> you have a big league if you start low, it sometimes can't be avoided as a
> factor.  This is why initial seedings are significant.
>
> On Tuesday, June 22, 2021, 06:26:18 PM EDT, Matt Wycoff <mwycoff at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Let’s remove the average ladder position part of the calculation if it
> doesn’t matter.
>
> Just make it based on rankings.
>
> On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 5:34 PM steve via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:
>
> > it's just the magical wonder of Effective Points without preplays for
> it to hide behind.
>
> No, it's actually more about the wonders of what happens when you have
> multiple things going on concurrently...    You have a player drop, you
> have the number of 4 player groups changing, AND the fun of the 3 player
> group vs 4 player group boundary, and effective points.
>
> This is more about the way the groups look AFTER ladder movement and a
> change in group makeup.
>
> People get predisposed to believe the simplifications we memorize are the
> real rules.. they aren't :)  Players don't actually move between groups
> each week...  they move up and down the ladder.  Groups are formed last...
> after everything else.
>
> So when people just focus on groups, they often get really confused when
> the group scheme changes.
>
> Ideas like 'freeze the player so they don't change groups' are not
> practical methods because they assume groups are fixed - they are not.  The
> player's ladder movement is done after each match...   Groups are drawn up
> based on the ladder - not necessarily last week's groups were.
>
> There is alot of churn going into week 3 because the Groupings changed
> when we dropped one player.  3 4player groups instead of 4 of them.
>
> -Steve
>
> On Tuesday, June 22, 2021, 11:15:44 AM EDT, Rob Wintler-Cox via FSPA <
> fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 10:51 AM Paul Liam McGlone via FSPA <
> fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:
>
> The summer scoring system certainly has some anomalies.
>
>
> I don't think this is anything new, it's just the magical wonder of
> Effective Points without preplays for it to hide behind.
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