[FSPA] READ ME! Preplays vs. Drop 2 Survey!

[steve]

 Jon, that's an interesting example... but I don't agree with the conclusion.  It boils down to 6 weeks count...  in your example player 3 did remarkably better in his scoring 6 weeks then the other player.  Player 1 was steady, but not significant.  Also your example is rather contrived as it doesn't align with how our scoring works...  your points per week available is varying greatly (from 12-30 points).
Yes there is an element of 'mulligans' when you drop lowest scores - but our motivation here is to be flexible to life - not that the model is trying to be the most accurate competitive wise.  The idea it is a compromise is inherent to the very nature of the idea.  
People either1- play2- get a zero3- get an artificial score of some sort4- have their week not count
#3 is hard to do fairly and people would just argue the same kinds of artificial gain or loss no matter what you do.  (see all the anger over effective points - and that's just movement!)#2 is debilitating to a season and reason enough for people not to play if they can't ensure total participation.  That is a hardline we are trying to balance around without sticking to#1 can be preplays, but it has limits.. and in practice people are eager to find alternatives
#4 is a model that isn't perfect, but tries to strike a balance.  Both participants and those that don't gain some advantage.  You drop your lowest performances... that can be a 'mulligan' or it can be an absence.  That's up to the player.
-Steve
    On Friday, September 3, 2021, 07:35:53 PM EDT, Jon Stephanou via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:  
 
 This is why I don't like the two drop-two method, unless I misunderstood the rule. It can unfairly give a lesser player the advantage, once the two lowest scores are dropped. Below is an example of what I mean, the highlighted scores are the two lowest for each player.  
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 Player-1 is the better player with more points and a higher average before the drop, but afterwards they're the worse. 
 
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| Player | Meet -1 | Meet -2 | Meet -3 | Meet -4 | Meet -5 | Meet -6 | Meet -7 | Meet -8 | Meet -9 | Meet -10 | Total Points | Average | 2 Lowest Scores | Adjusted |
| One | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 80 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 64 |
| Two | 9 | 7 | 8 | 4 | 10 | 8 | 6 | 12 | 0 | 8 | 72 | 7.2 | 4 | 0 | 68 |
| Three | 10 | 6 | 2 | 15 | 8 | 7 | 8 | 10 | 4 | 8 | 78 | 7.8 | 2 | 4 | 72 |


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On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 3:14 PM Joe P. Said via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:

Wei-Hwa, thats the ideal way to do it.
Also, people join league to play not to skip. The incentive is friends and social and competition, not to avoid being penalized. Drop-2 lowers stress which makes it more enjoyable but doesn’t remove any competition elements.
On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 9:31 PM Wei-Hwa Huang via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:

On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 2:47 PM frederick butts via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:

I understand why FSPA uses groups, however I have played in leagues where the match ups were random. As in they were not set until everyone was there and we knew who was playing. If making sure you keep the better players together for competition then keep groups but still make them random.


Over here in the Bay Area Pinball Association we don't create the groups until we know who has shown up, but they aren't random -- basically we sort everyone by how well they did last week and make groups based on that ordering. -- 
Wei-Hwa Huang, onigame at gmail.com
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