[FSPA] FSPA: MOM's Organic Pinball Results for 09/29/2021 (Meet #2)

[Dave Hubbard]

Very interesting, thanks for explaining. Things seem to have evolved quite
a bit from the infamous "FSPA grouping thingy"

--- Dave


On Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 7:31 PM Rob Wintler-Cox <rwintlercox at gmail.com> wrote:

> We don’t use shuffle at MOM’s when I select the games because despite what
> Steve said you end up with groups following others. For example, I just
> plugged in last night’s game picks and shuffle had group 2 right behind
> group 1 after the first game.
>
> For MOM’s I use a spreadsheet based on the sheet Joe K used at VBH which I
> believe was originally built by Scott. It is more curated than random so
> that groups don’t end up behind each other, but you do end up with patterns
> like the one you indicated. Eventually I plan to make it completely random,
> but haven’t gotten around to it yet.
>
> John used shuffle back when I was leaving early and recused myself from
> game selection. We can try it again if you want to see how it works.
>
> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 7:09 PM Dave Hubbard via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hm, that would lead me to believe that games 2,3,4 are random, and
>> looking at the results on this thread for MOMs, there are definitely
>> patterns.
>>
>> Group 3 went 8BD -> Metallica > Iron Maiden -> BKSOR
>> Group 6 went Iron Maiden -> BKSOR -> 8BD -> Metallica
>>
>> Group 4 went Dialed In -> AFM -> AIQ -> Hot Tip
>> Group 5 went AIQ -> Hot Tip -> Dialed In -> AFM
>>
>> That's a loop of the same games for those group pairs, which seems really
>> odd if a true shuffle is happening.  Week 1 doesn't exhibit this pattern
>> though.
>>
>> MOM's brass: how are y'all doing game sets?  I'm really curious now.
>>
>>        --- Dave
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 6:11 PM steve <flynnibus at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> >You likely won't know who picked what, but you will know what games
>>> were picked and therefore which games are
>>> > going to show up in other people's groups
>>>
>>> I don't think any of the leagues have been using this method for some
>>> time.  That was the old paper distribution model where the available games
>>> for the night were taken from the game picks, and then distributed in a
>>> following pattern intended to have higher groups follow lower groups.
>>>
>>> But since the migration to the tatersoft software, there is a 'shuffle'
>>> feature that doesn't use the same game assignment logic.  It simply picks a
>>> game you haven't played, that also hasn't been assigned yet for that
>>> round.  Does that for each group, then repeats for each round.  So it
>>> selects from the pool of location games and decides based on avoiding
>>> conflicts, not based on which games were picked for round 1.
>>>
>>> -Steve
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 30, 2021, 06:04:29 PM EDT, Dave Hubbard via FSPA <
>>> fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> They are definitely overrated.  It's one game out of 40 that you play in
>>> a season.  It's insignificant unless your league officer(s) use a
>>> progression for determining the other games in your group that involve
>>> everyone else's game picks, in which case people with later game picks can,
>>> theoretically, pick games in other groups as well.
>>>
>>> Something like this.  Imagine you have 12 machines for league, noted A
>>> through L for simplicity.
>>>
>>> Group 1 picks machine A
>>> Group 2 picks machine B
>>> ...
>>> Group 8 is last to pick, and 7 machines have already been chosen.  This
>>> group's pick will be game H, leaving I/J/K/L to be assigned randomly to the
>>> progression.
>>>
>>> Every group in groups 1-7 that includes slot H is effectively chosen by
>>> group 8's game picker, and you can trace this back up the groups as well
>>> (for example, there's probably a few groups that include G, chosen by group
>>> 7).
>>>
>>> So basically, game picks are not just your pick unless your SLO is
>>> filling out the other 3 games randomly.  You likely won't know who picked
>>> what, but you will know what games were picked and therefore which games
>>> are going to show up in other people's groups.  If you know the progression
>>> (and your SLO uses the same one every week) then with a little effort you
>>> can know which other groups are going to get the game you pick for your
>>> group, and that might be advantageous.
>>>
>>>         --- Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 3:13 PM Kevin Stone via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think game picks are overrated.  Every time I’ve picked a game, I end
>>> up playing horrible on it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* FSPA [mailto:fspa-bounces+pinball=kevinsplanet.com at fspazone.org]
>>> *On Behalf Of *Joe Schober via FSPA
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 29, 2021 11:47 PM
>>> *To:* FSPA main discussion list
>>> *Cc:* Joe Schober
>>> *Subject:* Re: [FSPA] FSPA: MOM's Organic Pinball Results for
>>> 09/29/2021 (Meet #2)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steph wrote...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don’t understand the ladder movement. I won my group but stayed in the
>>> same group, I suppose this has to do with rearranging the groups into three
>>> person groups after this meet but now who gets game picks?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "At each meet, the winner of each group who has moved up (except the
>>> winner of group 1) will choose their new group’s first machine to be
>>> played. In the lowest group, the lowest-ranked player will choose the first
>>> machine to be played. If there is a conflict due to dropouts and
>>> regrouping, then the lowest-ranked player in each affected group will have
>>> the machine pick."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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