[FSPA] curiousity about tournament death save rule

[Steve Peck]

Thanks for the input guys.

from a 'philosphical' standpoint - imo any nudge that doesn't move the
game's feet, or otherwise present a danger to the machine or player, should
be legal.
in the old papa video that shows death saves and bang backs, he talks about
the danger to the game and player as the main reason they are illegal.

to take it one step further removed from death saves - many games have a
'chill save' available off the skirt on a fast center drain coming at an
angle.
occasionally those need a nudge at the point of contact to adjust the
return angle.
if that nudge should be legal, and i certainly think it should, then the
non-leg-moving 'death save' should be legal too.

On Mon, Aug 4, 2025, 2:14 AM Dave Hubbard via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
wrote:

> Emphasis mine here:
>
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2025 at 11:51 PM Steve Peck via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> i did a slight nudge left then right, *to encourage a lazarus*
>> (successfully)
>> the feet of the game did not move. honestly it might have laz'ed on its
>> own, it was really moving.
>>
>> would this count as a death save in a tournament, resulting in DQ?
>>
>
> You admit you intentionally tried to influence the ball back into play
> after it drained with two separate moves - in a tournament setting, this is
> a DQ all day every day.  Had it bounced back through no action of your own,
> play on.
>
>         --- Dave
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