[FSPA] VUK playoffs this Sunday 8/27!

Thu Aug 24 23:05:05 EDT 2017

It *can* have an impact, yes, but in practice it's almost never going to
happen.  You'd need to have the affected players tied on points at the
right moment (uncommon) AND have the exact same head-to-head record, and
have at least one of the affected players have a forfeit that materially
changed their ladder ranking (a forfeit that doesn't change the ladder
outcome is effectively ignored, and a week-forfeit that keeps the player
in-group is at most a single ladder point).

I think we're making a bit too much fuss about forfeits.  I'm not sure they
actually affect much in the end, though I'm curious if anyone has examples
where they did.

       --- Dave

On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 10:43 PM, Tim of Premier Amusements via FSPA <
fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:

> No doubt, effective points for forfeits is a necessity.
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> Someone losing a ladder ranking tiebreaker to a player with forfeits is an
> unfortunate rare side effect of the forfeit scoring rules.
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> Not that it is worthy of a rule change, a player who is on the bubble
> could intentionally forfeit their last game or two in week eight to move up
> a group (lowering their ladder ranking) and secure a spot in a higher
> division, thus bumping someone down to a lower division.  Although rare,
> this situation has occurred before, not intentionally, of course.  My point
> is, forfeits can have an impact on division placement costing someone
> several positions in the final standings.
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> Tim
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> *From:* FSPA [mailto:fspa-bounces+timpet2=verizon.net at fspazone.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Dave Hubbard via FSPA
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2017 2:37 PM
> *To:* FSPA main discussion list <fspa at fspazone.org>
> *Cc:* Dave Hubbard <dave.hubbard at gmail.com>
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> *Subject:* Re: [FSPA] VUK playoffs this Sunday 8/27!
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> How exactly are they being rewarded for forfeiting?  They still get zero
> league points for missed games, they might have to play in the same or
> higher group than before, and they have a minuscule bump to a second
> tiebreaker.  I'd wager the number of times this has actually affected
> playoffs fits on one of my hands after I've handled too many fireworks.
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> Not granting effective points for forfeits IS a reward, as it allows
> people to intentionally drop groups.
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>       --- Dave
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> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:48 AM, rw55dodgers--- via FSPA <
> fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:
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> I've always complained about that, they are rewarded for not being there
> if they stay in that group and it could increase ladder value if they had a
> lower ladder value before that week.  If at the end of the season that
> person made playoffs by a fraction it could of been the difference.  If it
> has ever happened I don't know.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Max Baskin via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
> To: FSPA main discussion list <fspa at fspazone.org>
> Cc: Max Baskin <chaosrunner at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thu, Aug 24, 2017 10:40 am
> Subject: Re: [FSPA] VUK playoffs this Sunday 8/27!
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> And that's the ONLY thing that sucks about the phantom points for players
> who miss a week without preplays. While it does tend to hurt them more due
> to the lost week of points and possible harder group the following week, it
> can affect tiebreakers.
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> On Aug 24, 2017 10:25 AM, "Joe Kosack via FSPA" <fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:
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> Div Avg Ladder is your average ladder position at the end of Weeks 3-8,
> the first two and the last two are omitted from this calculation.  Ladder
> corresponds to your groupings, not how many points you earned.
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> The first two weeks are omitted so that if we misplaced anyone in a group,
> they have a chance to bubble up or down to where they're supposed to be.
> The last two weeks are omitted because divisions are locked in at that
> point and no one is able to shift divisions after week 8.
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> The first tiebreaker is always head to head standings.  If there is a tie
> for head to head (or if the two players in question never played each
> other,) then the next tiebreaker is the division average ladder.  If for
> some reason that is tied, then we go to your ladder position at the end of
> week 10, with the higher ranked player prevailing.
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> Joe K.
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> *From:* FSPA <fspa-bounces at fspazone.org> on behalf of John Locke via FSPA
> <fspa at fspazone.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2017 10:02:25 AM
> *To:* FSPA main discussion list
> *Cc:* John Locke
> *Subject:* Re: [FSPA] VUK playoffs this Sunday 8/27!
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> Max,
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> You're right about it being a tiebreaker.
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> John
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> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad <https://yho.com/footer0>
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> On Wednesday, August 23, 2017, 11:11 AM, Max Baskin via FSPA <
> fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:
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> That's the average of your overall, week to week standings. It's used to
> figure out what division you're in and, IIRC, acts as a tiebreaker for
> finals qualification.
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> On Aug 23, 2017 11:09 AM, "Freddy via FSPA" <fspa at fspazone.org> wrote:
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> What is Div Avg Ladder?
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Aug 23, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Rob Wintler-Cox via FSPA <fspa at fspazone.org>
> wrote:
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> Congratulations if you're in the top 4 in each division, you are headed
> for the VÜK league playoffs! Week 10 Results
> <http://fspa.league.papa.org/meetResults/122/10>
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> Top C seed Brian Galletta will not be there, so John Mucciardi moves up to
> the #4 spot. If anyone else knows they'll be out please reply to this email
> so the next player can move up.
>
> Game picks start at 4:45… if you are not there by then you will lose your
> picks. And it rarely hurts to have a set of picks ready against higher
> seeded players in case they show up late. (Not sure what game to pick? Use
> the research tools on the FSPA site to data mine your opponents'
> weaknesses!)
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> We start at 5 and if you’re still not there, you will lose your playoff
> spot and the next available player will move up. Players below the line: It
> may behoove you to be there in case of a no-show.
>
>
>
> Here's a link to the FSPA playoff rules for your reference: http://www.fspazone
> .org/complete-rules/#Playoffs
> <http://www.fspazone.org/complete-rules/#Playoffs>.
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>
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> And don’t forget next season starts just two short weeks after playoffs on
> September 10th! And a new season of VÜK Veekly post-league tournaments as
> well!
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> If you have questions please let me know.
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> Good luck!
>
> Rob
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